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with don cornelius. so it's a sad moment. you know, the two shows that -- you know, that i watched was, you know, "american bandstand" and "soul train." it's a heartbreak for everyone because everyone of various ethnicities watched "soul train" and i would always hear about the "soul train" dancers and all this kind of stuff. you know, it was a great thing. he was a very nice person. we did a tour once with he and his partner, dick griffy, the late dick griffy, so i'm just praying for his soul, praying for his family, and we have the memory of what he did in his life to keep us forever, but it's a heartbreak to know that he's gone at 75.
>> talk to me a little bit about, you know, the barriers he broke, the doors he opened. do you think had it not been for "soul train," had it not been for don cornelius, stevie wonder, do you think you would be where you are today? >> well, obviously, he was a major contribute toor to allowi that to happen. i think definitely the visual presence of a lot of the different artists he made happen because the doors to get in like that were kind of crazy. but it opened up such a whole other kind of era of music and dance. he found the latest dances on "soul train." again, like i said before, my understanding is that the dancers were incredibly great, and at some point a lot of
oertel visiothe other television shows began to emulate what he was doing. so that's a good thing. >> when americans saw "soul train" and saw a new don cornelius. we knew him for his baritone, his style, the dancing kind of setting the trend. but who was the person? who was don cornelius, the man? >> you know, i knew him as just a kind person. did i see him every day, did we talk every day? no, we didn't. but, you know, we had great conversations when we did talk. there was a thing that he would always do, act like he was some promoter from some country and he was saying, okay, you're going to sing. no, i'm not going to sing. he would say, no, you're going to sing or i will leave you out here with nothing. just being silly.
i just remember great moments. it's a shock. like i said, it's a terrible shock. but, you know, what do you do? i mean, you hear about these things and your heart aches and you wish that you could have been there for that person, for those in the past that have lost their lives in that kind of way, but whatever way one loses their life, were you able to prevent that from happening in some kind of way, to encourage them, to inspire them? you think we have to learn, whether it be the lessons of those that we've lost in different ways, obviously, like michael jackson or just anyone, we would have to give them as much love as we can and tell them, listen, no problem is so big that it cannot be solved. that's just the power of having
the most high that you believe in your life and just know that whatever the problem is, whatever the situation, you know, the album titled, as george harrison said, all things are past. that's how i look at it. >> speaking of giving love, and this is my final question for you. certainly there will be a memorial perhaps in the coming days and coming weeks. you said you played "superstition" for the first time on the show. stevie wonder, if you're asked to play a song, if i may ask, of your repertoire, what song would mean the most, do you think? >> i would let the family decide that. >> stevie wonder, i thank you so much for calling in. i know there are sore spots within the cornelius family today. thank you. >> okay.
now this. just oafter the top of the hour here. a couple stories we're watching for you right now. first and foremost, a major birth control recall, a mix-up that could leave you unprotected. stay tuned for that. also from afghanistan, the taliban is poised to overtake the country as soon as nato forces pull out. and facebook. when can we get in on the action and buy a piece of that pie? time to play reporter roulette. i want to go straight to elizabeth cohen with this massive recall of birth control pills. elizabeth, what exactly is being recalled and why? >> if you are a woman on birth control pills, i suggest you go to your medicine cabinet and see if you have either of these kinds of pills. the first one is called lo/ovral, and the second is generic norgestrel tablets.
if you have them -- some of them, not all of them -- there is a mistake in the way they were paj aged and you might not be protected and you need to know they're recalling these. >> so as women are sort of rushing to their medicine cabinets to check, what can they do if they use this kind of pill? >> if you're taking this kind of pill, you want to bring it back to the pharmacy you got it from, and secondly, you want to go to your doctor to get another type of birth control. because it is possible, again, that this is not protecting you. so two-step process. go to the pharmacy, go to your doctor. >> all right. elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. more information at cnn.com/empoweredpatient. i want to go straight to the pentagon to chris lawrence. we're hearing, chris, about a leaked classified military report. it claims that the taliban already ready to retake pakistan. this would come after nato withdrawals in 2014.
what are they saying about this? >> this is a classified report that was based on about 4,000 interviews with everyone from senior taliban to low-level, some al-qaeda fighters mixed in, foreign fighters. these were all people captured by the international security forces there in afghanistan and interviewed over the course of last year. it shows the taliban as a whole to be very confident. their thinking is come 2014, they will be back in power in afghanistan and will win, so to speak. it also shows that a lot of the taliban don't really trust pakistan. they feel pakistan is manipulative but they don't see any other area to get help so they go along and they take pakistan's aid, and that some of the senior taliban officials are still being given safe harbor there in pakistan. brooke? >> what about the ultimate goal of getting out of afghanistan?
does this mean we're even further away from reaching that target? >> yeah. when you look at it, you know, there has been some talk about, you know, the afghan saying that they may meet the taliban for some negotiations in qatar. a taliban spokesman put out a word just recently, in the last day or so, saying that's not true. they respect the idea of negotiations but they have no plans to do so at the time. so still -- hard to say on that. you know, meanwhile, u.s. officials have saying about this report, this is some of the most ruthless people involved. they're sort of downplaying it. one u.s. official told us this is more comments than intel. there's been no analysis of what some of these people are saying, and, of course, pakistan is still saying, you know, they're not aiding the taliban directly. brooke? >> of course. of course, they're saying that. chris lawrence, thank you so
much. now on to reporter roulette. this is the first step on to you maybe owning a piece of facebook. but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. felicia taylor is live at the stock exchange. there is so much talk about this. what is facebook actually expected to do today? >> well, brooke, we started to hear rumors really early this morning that facebook was getting ready to file the paperwork required to launch an ipo. then the process actually begins, and it can take several months. they go on what they call a roadsh roadshow, which is basically advertising facebook, although i don't think there is anyone out there who doesn't understand the magnitude of facebook. they are seeking to raise about $5 million in this offering. we could find out what the particularer m ticker symbol will be, where it's going to trade, and what it's worth. we'll have to wait until after it actually starts trading.
analysts estimate that its value is somewhere between 75 and $100 billion. not bad for a company that didn't even exist eight years ago. that valuation would make it worth more than iconic companies such as walt disney and general motors, both of which have been around for a very long time. brooke? >> wow. so people sitting there thinking, how can i get in on this? how long before individual investors can maybe even own facebook stock? >> yeah. well, this is kind of an interesting one, in particular with facebook. one trader told us earlier he expects facebook to include everyday people in the offering. after all, it's people like you and me who make facebook the value of it, what it actually is. we're the users of it. mark zuckerberg is ceo, he's known for doing things differently. he's not going to kowtow to wall street on the average way to introduce an ipo. usually the average investor gets shut out at the ipo price.
big investors usually snatch up the first offering. it could be between 48 and $200 a share. w i have no idea, though. you can compare it to other names. yahoo at $15, linkedin at 72. google which opened at $18 is now at $583. a lot of people are betting that facebook could be the next google and they don't want to miss out on it, but it will be interesting, there is also discussion out there that maybe zuckerberg will give every person who is a member of facebook a share. but we have no idea. these are still rumors that are swirling around. >> seems like maybe the fair thing to do since we're helping him out, but who knows. thank you so much. i want to move along. we're just getting some breaking news in to us here at cnn. this is out of egypt. dozens are reported dead as
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history. we understand that after these next to the mediterranean, the fans next to the club went on the pitch and became involved with violent clashes with fans of the other team in cairo. we understand 73 dead, at least 200 wounded. of course, these are just initial figures. we understand there are 90 ambulances on the scene at the hospitals in port siaga. they are completely overwhelmed by this bloodshed. certainly this is indicative of the kind of security vacuum that has occurred in egypt since the revolution. since the revolution, really, the police have never returned to the streets of egyptian towns and cities in the kind of numbers they were on the streets
before the revolution, and certainly there weren't enough at the portside stadium to prevent this sort of horrific bloodshed that has many egyptians wondering where this country is going. we understand parliament is now going to be meeting in an emergency session to discuss the situation, but certainly, very disturbing for many egyptians. brooke? >> disturbing as i'm just seeing these pictures here of fires. this looks like something we would have seen many months ago, certainly not after a soccer or football match. can you explain just a little bit more context about these two teams? are these big rivals? why the degree of the violence? >> well, the team that was -- one of the teams is the onli team, which is from cairo, a widely popular team. but there is a small group of
fans called the ultras who often go to these games with the specific indent of getting in fights with fans from the opposing teams. what happened is the portside beat the other team, the onli team, 3-1 and that may have played a part in sort of sparking these clashes, but it's really hard to explain this level of bloodshed, this death toll, this number of injuries given that in the past, you have had some soccer violence in egypt but nothing on this scale. brooke? >> unreal. you said initial reports, 73 dead, 200 wounded, 90 ambulances. ben wedeman, we'll keep following it along with you there in cairo. thanks so much. next, a writer follows general david petraeus for months and months and gets amazing exclusive access to the most dramatic moments. you're go to hear unique insight on strategies, the wars and
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he is now the director of the cia. he was once the top u.s. commander in afghanistan and in tie rack before that. i'm talking about david petraeus. he is in charge of the country's deepest secrets. a new biography is bringing readers now into hizzoner circle. it's called "all in, the education of general david petraeus." paula is a west point grad who has worked both in intelligence and counter-terrorism. paula, thanks so much for coming
on here. you embedded with petraeus and his staff while he was still in afghanistan. how did you manage that? how did you get this access? >> this project started maas my dissertation about three years ago and i was working with general petraeus virtually, doing interviews and him doing the interviewing. i decided the time was right to turn it into a book. i got a visa and went to afghanistan. i actually went on a few trips both with the troopers in the field and also at headquarters, and at some point i think he realized i was taking this research seriously, sharing hardships with the troops and risk and so forth. we had a relationship before i went there as far as this dissertation was concerned, so it just took it to another level. >> given your time, paula, in afghanistan, i just want to ask you about some news today where we're hearing about the secret u.s. military report, that the taliban are poised to retake
afghanistan as soon as nato leaves. in fact, i want to tell you something petraeus said just yesterday. >> there is nothing easy about afghanistan. as we used to say, it's all hard all the time, but it's also all-important all the time. there is a reason we went there in the wake of 9/11. we have hugely important national security interests there, and it's very important to that country, to the region and the world that we do everything possible to try to get that right. >> so to use his phraseology, getting right, what is the u.s. getting right in afghanistan if the taliban are ready to swoop back in after a decade of fighting? >> that's a pretty grandiose statement to say they're ready to swoop in. you have to think of the record gains the troops made last year. we had an increase in insurgents
attacks, but last year there was a did he crease in overall attacks. in some cases it was 30%. a 30% decrease in attacks, i don't think that shows the taliban has momentum here. but this shows a bigger point, that our gains are quite fragile and reversible if we don't continue to put pressure on the taliban and the insurgents. i think they've done a great job at standing up and building their forces. there are over 3,000 forces there now. they're working arm in arm with our troops. that's our ticket out of afghanistan, and i think there's no light between general allen, who is a commander in afghanistan right now, and the president on the vital interests that are stated here if we let the taliban swoop in, but i think that's a pretty grandiose statement to listen to. >> you bring up the president. you write very specifically in your book that petraeus almost resigned in afghanistan over president obama's withdrawal timetable. is friction the right word here?
why so much friction between these two men? >> there was a misunderstanding in that headline, brooke. actually, he was urged to quit. after the decision was made by the president to draw down the troops on a certain timeline, several of his mentors and friends sent in e-mails and said this is egregious. the fast drawdown puts our troops and mission at risk. we risk everything we gained. petraeus didn't feel it was that egregious. he felt that what the president had decided was implementable. in fact, he turned around and got on a video conference and said we will execute. so there was friction in that he had made recommendations. the president asked him for another recommendation. he went back to his troops in afghanistan, a very small group of leaders, actually, and came back with a recommendation that he felt was viable. so there was tension, but i think if anything, it was healthy tension. the national security council and the president's national security team should debate these issues. there are a lot at stake, but
there are a lot more issues at stake beyond the war in afghanistan, the economy, many more factors came into the president's decision making. one thing we really show in the book is the arc of their relationship over time. in 2009, i would say it was the military versus the white house. that was the perception, anyhow, in some open sources. but the military leaders didn't feel like they were boxing in the president, and i think what the president has learned and the administration has learned is that, really, we're all in, to bring the title of the book back into it, but -- sorry, go ahead? >> they're all in, but i do have to press you a little bit because i actually had michael hastings on a couple weeks ago, rolling stone writer, has this new book out as well. he wrote in that rolling stone article that eventually led to general petraeus' downfall. i want co read this. quote, this is a biography written by a semi-official spokesperson. its chief interest is as a rough
draft of the latest myth petraeus is selling to the american public. we won iraq and we're on the verge of a great victory in afghanistan and petraeus is the main reason why. are you buying it? paula, how do you respond to that? >> i'm glad you're giving me the chance. first of aushlll, i'm not sure michael hastings read it, because i'm critical of both wars. on a broader scale, listen. this is a book about strategic leadership. it's also a war chronicle, it's petraeus' intellectual history, but what i want to show and the interest it's generating is leadership. i think petraeus gives us a great model for that. i'm not a spokesperson for him, and if showing a role model to other people in the world or other readers is a repugnant thing, then i'm sorry, but i think the values he holds and tries to instill in his organizations are valuable and worth pointing out. >> paula broadwell, west point grad, your book is "all in ch:
education of david petraeus." thanks for being on. >> thank you, brooke. back in florida, folks are still talking about mitt romney's win, but the race is hardly over. they swear they're going to keep going. heck, newt gingrich says he's going all the way to the convention. folks, that is end of august. where could romney lose his lead? where are his weaknesses going forward? lauren burgess is standing by. we're going to talk with her next.
in south carolina. say it all together now here. mitt romney is the guy to beat. just move on with the challenge. can we say that yet? >> yeah. i think we can say that. he is the guy to beat, but he's got a challenge in front of him because he has to be a little nuanced here, brooke, and mitt wr romney hasn't been so good at that in this campaign. what he's got to do is keep the pressure on newt gingrich, at the same time pivoting and starting to attack barack obama, and at the same time trying to convince what i call the base of the base, the most strongly conservative republicans and those who most strongly support the tea party that he is actually somebody they will be able to live with, and then enthusiastically vote for come election time if he becomes a nominee. so he's got a job ahead of him, because newt gingrich and rick santorum and ron paul are not going away. >> well, we saw the pivot toward
obama in his speech inside the tampa convention center last night. but a lot of this story here in florida is about all the negative ads, the mudslinging here in this state. you hear a lot of folks saying newt gingrich was damaged, but some say mitt romney was damaged as well. this is mitt romney this morning here on cnn. >> as has been said long ago, politics ain't beanbags. we're battling to be the nominee. he's going to do it wait he thinks is best, i'll do it the way i think is best. so far my process is a good start. we're going to go on. i'm feeling pretty good at this point, soledad. >> so, really, i have two questions. i saw that this morning. a, i don't understand the politics and the beanbags, maybe you can connect the dots for me. also, he's shrugging off a negative vibe in florida but the contest is going to deep dragging on. does it threaten to ding him up a little bit? >> i actually think it already
has dinged him up. because if you look at independent voters in some of the national polls that have been taken, mitt romney's unfavorables among independent voters have gone up 20 points since november. and that ain't beanbag, as mitt romney might say. that's very, very crucial to him. that's very crucial to him because he really has to appeal to those independent voters and get them back under his tent if he's going to try and win the presidency should he become the nominee. so the more these fellows go at each other, the independents are out there watching this race, and they might decide, you know, i don't like newt gingrich very much, i don't like mitt romney very much, either. he can recover from that, obviously, but at this point independents are sitting back and watching it and they don't really like what they see. and it's not only the negative
ads. romney at various times has had to run to the right of newt gingrich on issues of immigration. that might not appeal to independent voters, either. >> we'll see how it goes saturday in nevada and beyond. gloria bori gloria borger, could be a lot of slug for a lot of people. there could be a new airline fee coming. we'll hear why, next.
this, you're talking about a big airline going through bankruptcy, big cuts sort of make sense. but they're harsh and they're certainly going to have real consequences for the people whose jobs are being cut. they're being told at a union meeting today about how those numbers stack out, and they've given us some rough guidance. that means about 400 pilots likely to lose their jobs, 2,000 flight attendants, more than 4,000 mechanics. these are across-the-board cuts. they won't disrupt, say, current service. this is about shaping the airline for the future, so if you have a ticket book for next week, that's not your concern. but this is looking ahead down the road. also looking down the road, some of the retirees could actually see their pensions cut in this benefits tang he wile. the government says, look being you ha -- look, you have to make good on these pensions and they basically said if they don't pay
out, they put them on notice about 75 different things they could repossess in the future if they don't go ahead and pay those pension fees as they go through bankruptcy, brooke. >> that's tough for the retiree crowd. 13,000 jobs at american. i do want to talk about this new fee as we talk always about new fees and airlines. for passengers of spirit, you're going to be paying more cash. why? >> yes. this is what the airline is calling the cost of regulation. they call this the unattended consequences fee. it's a $2 fee per ticket basically saying that a new series of guidelines that the government has put out to try to make travel a little more consumer friendly is costing the low-cost airlines too much. the idea now, you can basically change your mind for 24 hours once you've purchased a ticket. spirit says that's too expensive and they are naming this fee after the u.s. department of transportation. all of these new rules have sort of put the low-cost airlines at odds with the federal government. one of the things they're doing
now, once you go to buy a ticket, it will no longer be, say, a $99 ticket with a bunch of taxes and fees added onto it, the government wants the whole price added up front. the airlines don't like that. indeed, one republican congressman here says it's kind of deceptive number, it doesn't tell you the taxes. he's filed a new agreement. it's going to be back and forth in court here, brooke. shocking case here. it's going to leave you wondering about your kids when you're not with them. an elementary schoolteacher, a veteran teacher, i might add, allegedly commits lewd acts on children involving cockroaches and blindfolds. the disturbing details do not stop there. sunny hostin is so very fired up on this one. that's next. ste.
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they were in the united states illegally, but immigration tells cnn that there is, quote, zero chance, zero chance, that the 14-year-old will be deported and reports of her facing deportation are completely false, end quote. but there is still a lot of concern today for 15-year-old lidiane carmo. she was seriously injured and is still in a gainesville, florida hospital. not only has she lost her immediate family, as we mentioned, but she is without medical coverage, and among those expressing sympathy is the governor of the state in which i sit, governor rex scott. he spoke in the primary. take a listen. >> your heart goes out to the families. the one family, they lost everybody but a 15-year-old girl. five, six members of the family -- i don't know if they were in the same van or two vans. it was a church group. but they lost everybody but a 15-year-old girl. your heart goes out to those families. >> we're going to move this forward just a little here.
a source close to the orphaned girl's extended family is telling cnn that governor scott visited the hospital sunday. that source went on to tell cnn that governor scott assured the family that her medical bills would be covered by the state of florida. scott's office refused to confirm that to us at cnn and the governor canceled a pre-arranged. answ -- appearance on this program when we told him we would be asking about financial assurances offered to the family. the governor said they could not agree tie chano a change in ter that interview with me. a source close to the family said governor scott gave the family a telephone number to call and follow up on his pledge of support, but, they say, no one has answer orded or returne their phone calls. to california we go. parents are angry, they're sad,
they're disgusted by this case involving a veteran third grade teacher. i'm talking about 61-year-old mark berndt. he taught at a los angeles elementary school for 31 years. he was in court today committed of performing lewd acts on children as young as seven years of age. his bond? listen to this, his bond is set for $23 million. according to special victims unit detectives, there is proof of the crimes including photographs berndt took of these young students. the sheriff's department says the pictures show berndt with his arm around the children or his hand over their mouths, children who are blindfolded and have their mouths taped shut. some kids have cockroaches on their faces, and there are girls with a, quote, blue plastic spoon filled with an unknown clear white liquid substance up to their mouths, end quote. investigators say that substance is a bodily fluid that matches
berndt's dna. >> they didn't realize they were being victimized. they thought they were just being blindfolded and gagged as a game. >> sunny hostin is on the case. from what i understand, sunny, the sheriff's department says there are hundreds of these pictures that were taken over the course of this five-year period in the classroom. so how was this found and why did it take so long? >> it's remarkable that the pictures were taken in the classroom, brooke. well, apparently he took the pictures to be developed at a photo shop and it was the photo shop developer that alerted the police to these bondage pictures. so but for that person, this could very well still be going on. what i will say is people are very concerned that the charges have just been brought, but my understanding is that once the superintendent of schools was
alerted to these facts, the teacher was removed from the classroom immediately and the school board fired him, so he was not exposed to the children in that school from the moment this investigation began. why did it take so long to file charges? that is the question on everyone's minds, brooke, because we're talking about a year -- a year -- before this person was taken off of our streets. i do know that it takes a very long time to prosecute and investigate child sex crimes because you have to interview children. children are very open to suggestion, and so you have to be very well trained to interview them, and perhaps that was one of the reasons why it took so very long to bring charges. i understand that the government wanted to make sure that they could bring him up on felony charges rather than on the misdemeanor charges that he probably could have been arrested on rather quickly. >> do we know how many kids potentially are involved? i know they were trying to i.d.
some of the kids in the pictures, potential victims? is there even a number? >> right now he's been charged with 23 counts. 23 children we know have been identified. that's why he's being held on $23 million of bail. but my understanding, brooke, is that even today more children have come forward, so i suspect that there are many more victims that we'll hear about. this is going to be a large scale case, and i'm also concerned about perhaps victims outside of this school. we're talking about a serial child abuser here. >> $23 million bond. i've never heard of such a thing. if he is convicted, it is disgusting. sunny hostin, thank you so much on the case. more news after this quick break. it's powerful relief that works at the site of pain and lasts up to 12 hours. salonpas.
a television legend died today. even if you don't know the name don cornelis -- cornelius, you certainly know "soul train." his sun forgettable voice called people to the train line for more than 30 years. one of the longest-running dance party shows in television history. done cornelius may have left his mark on poplar culture as the founder of "soul train" started with $400 out of his own pocket, but for many performers, his real impact was creating a space on television for african-american artists like gladys knight to widen their
audience. >> we are so grateful to him for giving us that base. he gave those people a commercial opportunities to have a way to get our products out of the. i mean, he was just a pioneer like you would not believe. he's really an unsung hero. >> jackson five, stevie wonder, elton john, whitney houston, justin timberlake and beyonce all performed on "soul train." today many in the music industry are mourning the lost of cornelius. quincy jones said -- before mtv, there was "soul train" that would be the great legacy of done cornelius. his contributions to our culture as a whole will never be matched. smokey robinson echoed those throws -- he brought exposure to black talent and positive image that had never been done before with his cede of "soul train." he was a friend and we mourn his loss.
cornelius was found death of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound early sunday morning. friends say he had fallen ill in recent years, those details have not been made public. he was 75. his famous "soul train" sign-off, a fitting tribute to the man who brought heart and soul to television. >> i'm done core kneelius. as always, we wish you love, peace, and soul. ♪ we want to go straight to some breaking news oufz afghanistan. secretary of defense leon panetta says the u.s. and nato will be ending their combat mission at some point next year. i want to go straight to barbara starr at the pentagon. barba, you know, what are you reading into this, the fact that it sort of makes it official? >> reporter: well, it does make
it official for defense secretary leon panetta on his way to brussels, landing and now saying on his wait to this nato meeting that u.s. troops will end their combat role in afghanistan after more than ten years of war, they will end that combat role by the end of next year, 2013. the u.s. has 89,000 troops on the ground in afghanistan, so this would be very welcomed news for the families who have loved ones serving there. so the end of combat by 2013, u.s. troops will then really begin this transition even sooner into a training role for afghan forces, very much like we saw happened in iraq, and u.s. troops will remain on the ground under a nato mandate until the end of 2014. you're going to start seeing this shift happening, but panetta making it official, making it very clear that the expectation now is u.s. combat in afghanistan will begin
wrapping up mid next year and be done with by the end of next year in 2013 after more that this ten years of war. brooke? >> amazing. ten years. barbara starr, thank you so much at the pentagon. finally i want you to pay close attention to this next store. it really gives you a very clear pictures of what's at stake here in the u.s. if a lot of jobs are not created and created soon, it's about a once middle class family who has lost more than most of us can imagine. here is cnn's poppy harlow. rurp one room now home to a family of five. >> we have the two girls who sleep on the bottom. and then our oldest sleeps on the top. >> mom and dad somehow manage to sleep together on the couch. >> most of the time hounsly i lay on top of him. iman is 1, and nasr -- >> reporter: if you think what long-term unemployment can look like, think again. >> you can't understand
something until you've lived it. >> adam and talia brought in more than $100,000 just two years ago, by all measures middle class until they were both laid off. frightening new numbers show 50% of the unemployed in new jersey have been out of work for more than six months. it's a similar story elsewhere. >> i was a lead technician for comcast. >> you had it made? >> yeah, i had it made. >> i was a customer service rep. >> what's the hardest element of this sill ways that you think people might not know? >> it's definitely not financial. it's emotional. if you're not strong people, tuck break you. >> yeah. >> reporter: their unemployment checks have run out and they've exhausted their savings. >> only benefits we get from the state right now is assistance with the food. >> reporter: human services of morris county, new jersey, where the mobleys live have seen their food stamp caseload surge 140% since 2007.
>> seeing dually unemployed families, that's unusual for you. >> reporter: so the bottom is falling out of the middle class. >> um-hmm. i believe that. >> reporter: have you seen something like this before? >> no, not like this never, and i've here since 1980. >> reporter: this is one of the wealthiest counties in america, where the median households brings in over $91,000, but when you can't find a job here, you can't get by. >> you sent out a lot of resumes. >> reporter: 500 resumes later, nobody has offered talia a job. how long do you think you can go on like this? >> honestly not very much longer. >> what's up with you? >> reporter: afternoons are spent at grandma's with their three kids, then bulk to laura sullivan's house, where they're living rent free. she took them in after knowing the mobleys less than a year. people ask why would you take someone in and you have no
privacy? i'm like, honestly? you want to compare my privacy to a family not having a home? like, is there any comparison? what does that say? >> reporter: it's far from ideal, but when you've been out of work this long, there's no room for ideal. and, brooke, here's the kicker, talia, the mother, went back to school when he lost her job to retrain in health care, because like all of us, she heard health care is where the jobs are. you heard it, 500 resumes later neither one a single offer. the morning we interviewed talia, she had a second-round interview for a job in health care. we've been checking in with her every day seeing if she'll get that job. in the meantime her husband adam started a t-shirt company with his brother, but like so many, can't access the capital he needs to try to get it off the ground. brooke? >> oh, two years out of work. our best to